They should include Camaros in spec iron. eventy you’re going to have to do a “new” CMC or the series will die off
They should include Camaros in spec iron. eventy you’re going to have to do a “new” CMC or the series will die off
Last edited by Rsmith350; 04-06-2018 at 08:48 PM.
" Racing makes crack addiction look like a mild craving for something salty"
Camaros have independent rear suspension that’s where they get you!
There's got to be a way to BOP these cars. IRS or not, obviously with weight penalties or others there's a way
" Racing makes crack addiction look like a mild craving for something salty"
Also there’s no travel for the rear suspension for road racing that’s why everybody is veered away from it
The Miata is probably better suited to road racing though. I've never had any structural issues with my S197 on track.
The 4th gen isn't that structurally sound for road racing loads. Cracked k-members, cracked floors, bad front bearings, all really common stuff.
I haven't had too many issues structurally with the Fox yet, I do check the hatch panel gap and it changes every weekend on track (.25 - .5"). It seems to be a pretty flexible car even with the cage in it. If you don't brace the rear suspension pick up points on the fox you can rip them out.
I think there's an argument to be made that the newer generation of cars is more suited to road racing from a reliability standpoint, I know the S197 is.
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Be that as it may, my car has been on track since about 2004 so take that for what it's worth. Miata is likely similarly flimsy but is smaller, lighter, and runs smaller tires so doesn't see the loads that our cars do. I haven't missed any races due to the crack in my trans tunnel. Wheel bearings can also be driven around. My argument against the newer stuff is it's a lot more expensive. The issues you bring up are, IMO, minor and mitigatable. For about $1200 you can have nuke proof 4th gen front hubs, much cheaper than a newer platform. Even then I just keep spares in the trailer and only lose 1 every other season or so. I personally haven't seen any cracked k members. Trans tunnel cracks can be welded, Mustang torque boxes are allowed to be reinforced. What's left?
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If given a choice between an s197 and a 4th gen, I'd take the s197 all day.
Let's face it the Fox/F-body platforms are absolute shit.
Crappy chassis, crappy suspensions, neither chassis come with good brakes, and you really can't run a stock 5.0/t5 anymore, etc.
S197s are good to go out of the box and prepping them for W2W are more of a "bolt on" affair rather than the "cut here and weld this here" we deal with our chassis.
Not complaining but Sook's point to the newer chassis just being considerably easier to start with is totally valid.
Our cars are just a lot cheaper to start with than s197s but that gap is closing over time.
This is not a "s197 and 5th gens belong in CMC" discussion, just a comparison between how much easier the newer stuff is to start with.
I don't want the new cars running in CMC with us, we've all already spent enough time/money developing our cars for this class.
Last edited by Pranav; 04-09-2018 at 05:23 PM.
There are more 99-04 mustangs than 90-05 miatas, and they are pretty cheap, don't know the production numbers on GT vs V6 though.
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