Rule Change Requests for 2024 season

[michaelmosty]

CMC racers

It is the rule season once again and like previous years we have the same rules of engagement as far as submitting your rule proposals. Please have these submitted by October 20th for consideration.

You can post your RCR here if you like for public comment but please submit formally to your series director.


As always, the rule submittals are to clarify, reduce cost of operation or building a CMC car, improves safety or enables closer competition or increases the longevity of the car.

Your role as a CMC competitor is twofold:

1, submit Rules Change Requests (RCR) for things you believe make sense

2, To discuss your RCRs and those others submitted with your fellow racers and, most importantly, with your Regional Director.

Feel free to create a thread for your RCR, but please keep these threads limited to one specific topic to make it easier for everyone to follow along. Keep these discussions civil and remember that it's perfectly ok for others to have a different and even conflicting opinion to your own.

To submit an RCR for the CMC Directors for consideration, please submit it to your regional director via email with a cc to Bob Denton, National Director, using the format below. Your regional director is your representative at the official discussions, and the two of you discussing your suggestion first will help that greatly.

For those that are new or unfamiliar, the Directors discuss and vote on the RCRs. When we're done, we submit the whole thing to NASA HQ for their review, suggestions, and final approval.

I encourage you to do the appropriate due diligence. Provide real evidence and details. Read old RCRs, read the director's cut threads explaining what RCRs were rejected and why. If it's the same RCR and nothing has changed, it's logical to expect the decision to remain unchanged.



RULE CHANGE REQUESTS (RCR) MUST BE SUBMITTED IN THE FOLLOWING FORMAT TO BE CONSIDERED (no a post online isn't enough, Send it to your regional director):



---1) Name / Region / Car # / Contact Info (email or phone, etc)

---2) Rule reference # (ex.- Rule 3.2)

---3) Recommended Revised Wording (saying make rule 5.4 clearer isn't enough! How would you word it?)

---4) Reasoning for change MUST include at least 1 of the following:

---------->a) Will decrease the series cost because...

---------->b) Will increase driver safety because...

---------->c) Will promote series growth because...

---------->d) Will improve competition because...

---------->e) Will provide more clarity because...



HINT Requests which score points in all categories will have better chances of being accepted than those which score points in 1 category (or worse yet, go against the reasoning's above.)

[Gerno]

I’m curious about changing the cost limit for struts and would like to understand if there is a benchmark being looked at regularly. Except for basic single adj Koni or worse options, nothing is really available in the required budget these days. If I tear up one of my ASTs I don’t think I can get anything similar in performance for the required budget. I’m not trying to spend a ton of money but with recent inflation it seems this rule may need to be adjusted. I recently bought some koni DA inserts alone without a strut housing and they were $500 each.

[RichardP]

I’m curious about changing the cost limit for struts and would like to understand if there is a benchmark being looked at regularly. Except for basic single adj Koni or worse options, nothing is really available in the required budget these days. If I tear up one of my ASTs I don’t think I can get anything similar in performance for the required budget. I’m not trying to spend a ton of money but with recent inflation it seems this rule may need to be adjusted. I recently bought some koni DA inserts alone without a strut housing and they were $500 each.

The issue with discontinued parts probably needs to be discussed. What is the value of AST shock/struts if you can't actually purchase them? For reference, Dan's Camaro has them and I don't want them to go away but I'm not sure it's fair to run them. I also don't think it's fair to require people to throw away good parts because they aren't available anymore. Awkward...

Richard P.

[michaelmosty]

The rule was originally set with the 4th gen Koni DA as the standard for the price limit. You can get Mustang Koni DA’s for about $450 each but not sure what the current pricing is for the GM’s.

The AST’s were made back around 2007 specifically for CMC with the price cap in line as you could buy them for $400 each which was the limit back then.
I know you can’t buy them new anymore but I got my AST’s rebuilt last year for $950 for all 4.

If you have any other suggestions for dampers you are looking at please let us know so we can consider them for a rule change. Thanks!!

[RichardP]

"6.33.6 Any non-remote reservoir shock absorbers, of any origin, that are readily available to the public from a retail source for less than $1,000 a pair may be used provided they attach to the OEM stock unmodified mounting points and do not alter the stock geometry, with the exceptions outlined in section6.33.10 below."


Ast's are not readily available to the public from a retail source. Period. They haven't been for a long time. It's great for the people that have them but if you wanted them, you are out of luck.


Richard P.

[Gerno]

Thanks for the context. I’m not trying to outlaw the older shocks, just trying to get an idea on the background. As of now the Koni DA option has increased and I know others are using the QA1s that are also outside budgets now too even though they are a pretty basic shock. I’ll put a rule change request in later this week. My goal is only to align to market inflation.