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    Team Rules and Procedures

    Folks,
    A number of questions have come up with regards to team rules and common practices. After many discussions with the series directors and confirmation with Clifton, our Race Director, we wanted to make sure we're all on the same page. Here are the rules and practices which will be followed:

    22.4.1 Intent
    The intent of the NASA team rule is to allow two (2) drivers to share the costs of racing
    one car during a racing season.

    Our intent in AI/CMC is to promote car count whereby one driver might not be able to make all the events for many reasons however two drivers (and their cars) can make it to all the events.

    22.4.2 Declaration
    The drivers must declare the team for any class(es) before either of the drivers has
    participated in their first race of the season in that class(es). The declaration must be
    done in writing to the NASA local office.

    For AI/CMC...the series directors are keeping these records on file as the points keepers, so the declarations should come to the Series Directors.

    22.4.3 Points Tally
    Once the team is declared the two (2) drivers shall have their points tallied together.
    Either driver may qualify or race the car, however both drivers must be registered for that
    event.

    If one driver qualifies then that driver should also be racing. If there is a change in drivers or cars between qualifying and racing, that driver must start from the rear of the field.

    22.4.4 Restrictions
    A maximum of two (2) drivers may be on a team in each NASA racing series.* Each
    driver may only be on one (1) team per series. If both teammates are driving in the
    same race, the lowest finishing position shall earn points (exception: CCR section #22.5,
    and *the endurance racing series)

    You can only be on one team per series. i.e.- may be on an AI team and a CMC team...but only one team per series. If both drivers are in the same race AND DON'T DECLARE WHO THE TEAM POINTS DRIVER WILL BE PRIOR TO THE RACE START, THEN THE LOWEST FINISHING POSITION WILL EARN POINTS. Two qualifying team members can declare which driver will be accumulating points after qualifying and before the race.
    Be sure to notify the series directors of your intentions prior to the race.

    22.4.5 Privateer Runs
    A driver may collect points for himself/herself, independent of his/her declared team, so
    long as he/she notifies the Event Chairman, or Race Director BEFORE qualifying.

    Since the AI/CMC Series Directors maintain our points, (and are generally the race directors for our series) please notify one of the Series Directors. With prior notification to the series directors as to who the points earner for the team will be, only then will the 2nd team member then be declared a Privateer Run and earn points for him or herself.

    Todd Covini
    Al Fernandez
    Glenn Landrum
    David Donovan
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    Re: Team Rules and Procedures

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Covini
    22.4.3 Points Tally
    Once the team is declared the two (2) drivers shall have their points tallied together.
    Either driver may qualify or race the car, however both drivers must be registered for that
    event.

    If one driver qualifies then that driver should also be racing. If there is a change in drivers or cars between qualifying and racing, that driver must start from the rear of the field.
    What? If Todd and Al are team mates and Al can't make an event at all, he must still register so that the team can garner points?

    That doesn't sound right ...

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    Re: Team Rules and Procedures

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Covini
    22.4.3 Points Tally
    Once the team is declared the two (2) drivers shall have their points tallied together.
    Either driver may qualify or race the car, however both drivers must be registered for that
    event.

    If one driver qualifies then that driver should also be racing. If there is a change in drivers or cars between qualifying and racing, that driver must start from the rear of the field.

    I fully disagree with the interpretation of that section of the rule. That’s just not what it says. The team drivers should be interchangeable. That includes one driver qualifying while the other one races.

    Logistically, who is going to keep records of who was in the car for qualifying? What about the inverted races. Who “qualified” for that race. With the standard format for Sunday now being one qualifying session and one long race, one of the team drivers is specifically excluded from doing a session on Sunday???

    I believe the interpretation of that one needs to be re-looked at.


    Richard P.

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    Mitch, that applies only if they will be sharing the driving during that event. If one driver is not at a particular event then it is somewhat obvious which driver will be earning the points for the team.

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    Re: Team Rules and Procedures

    Quote Originally Posted by mitchntx
    What? If Todd and Al are team mates and Al can't make an event at all, he must still register so that the team can garner points?

    That doesn't sound right ...

    That's not the standard intrepretation. Basically, anyone behind the wheel of a car on track needs to be registered for the event.


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    I didn't think so ... but literal interpratation and the subsequent "clarification" can certanly be read that way ....

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    Re: Team Rules and Procedures

    Quote Originally Posted by RichardP
    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Covini
    22.4.3 Points Tally
    Once the team is declared the two (2) drivers shall have their points tallied together.
    Either driver may qualify or race the car, however both drivers must be registered for that
    event.

    If one driver qualifies then that driver should also be racing. If there is a change in drivers or cars between qualifying and racing, that driver must start from the rear of the field.

    I fully disagree with the interpretation of that section of the rule. That’s just not what it says. The team drivers should be interchangeable. That includes one driver qualifying while the other one races.

    Logistically, who is going to keep records of who was in the car for qualifying? What about the inverted races. Who “qualified” for that race. With the standard format for Sunday now being one qualifying session and one long race, one of the team drivers is specifically excluded from doing a session on Sunday???

    I believe the interpretation of that one needs to be re-looked at.


    Richard P.
    Fair enough, RP. I'll defer to Clifton's interpretation and allow him to re-look at it. We'll get back to y'all.

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    ...this was what I was basing it on.

    20.2.4 Teammates and Vehicle Substitutions
    The same driver or his/her legal teammate must qualify the car to be raced. A driver
    may change cars after qualifying, however he/she must start in the back of his/her class.
    The Race Director must approve any car change, before the start of the race. The Race
    Director reserves the right to refuse to allow an entrant to race a car of a different class,
    if the change of cars could be an advantage over other competitors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd Covini
    ...this was what I was basing it on.

    20.2.4 Teammates and Vehicle Substitutions
    The same driver or his/her legal teammate must qualify the car to be raced.

    That strengthens my position. The team drivers are interchangeable. Cars are not.

    Example: If you go out and qualify your Mustang, either you or Al can race your Mustang from your qualifying position. Either you or Al are also allowed to race Al's Camaro in the race but you must have the permission of the race director to switch cars and you must start from the back.


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    As far as changing driver or car:

    1. Changing the driver to a teammate = no loss of qualifying position

    2. Changing the driver to a non-teammate = loss of qualifying position

    3. Changing the car but using the same driver, whether it is a teammate's car or not = loss of qualifying position

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