I appreciate hearing everyone's opinions. I did not know that cmc1 had gone away, I did know that it did not have much interest. I must say that I do like. Mr. Pat's car in that link. I know it could use parts but I like that most of the parts that it has are good parts. Mr. Pat is at his bottom dollar price though & I still need it shipped. I am coming into this sport after many years of offroad racing. The last 2 years have been really slow & it has been hard to find races. That and when it is was going well it was hectic chasing a championship in a 13 weekend series. Hard to do for a working family guy. When work picks back up I will have more to spend but for now I just want to get on track with a car that will make a solid foundation for future modifications.