CMC and header wrap on exhaust manifolds - not legal.

[Casey_SS]

As entertaining as this is, could you guys possibly work it out over the phone instead of the forum? Please??

[David Love AI27]

Get over yourself and grow up.

Now thets funny rite theeer...

[edrock96GT]

As entertaining as this is, could you guys possibly work it out over the phone instead of the forum? Please??

This.

Half of this forum is about racing, the other half is about how much people don't like each other.

Shit's getting old, we know already...

[ShadowBolt]

Glenn,

You're are one amazing dude. If there is anyone that thinks they are Gods gift to racing it is you. As for someone with serious issues " that's like the rat calling the kettle a long nose SOB". You are the worst example of what NASA should be promoting that I have seen, but what do I know. We just came, cheated like a couple riverboat gamblers and kicked ass. Some people just can't accept that some header wrap and a 1/2" of geometric modification to a car at this level makes them a cheater and that is the only reason that they won is absurd. You just refuse to answer the simple question that I ask. You and your ADVOCATES are simply controlling individuals and as long as everyone plays by your rules (and pays their money) you leave them alone. They are not a threat to your SUPERIORITY. I 've seen this kind of shit when I was 10 years old playing sandlot football. You are the one that needs to grow up and get over yourself.

You didn't tell me if you would disqualify me if I ran HDPE. You will take my $280 though right?

Have a nice day.

Papa Kellam,

You are out of line here. Glenn and I do not always see eye to eye. In fact at TWS last year I wanted to kill his ass but I’m telling you not one person here thinks you guys won any races because of cheating.......not one! I’ve never heard a word about it from a single person including Glenn! The fact is that a guy got DQ’ed at Nats this year for Lexan windows. Can you imagine losing the national championship because of that? You guys are lucky you did not get caught with at least two things done to the car that is not okay. It would have been a shame to have you lose any race because of these dumb little things but the fact remains that you could have and should have been DQ’ed. At Cresson one year I saw the header wrap on your car and I told you guys it was not okay to have it. You told me the rule had changed. Hell, I never read the rules so I assumed you were correct and if I was not so lazy I would have my headers wrapped right now. Do I think the header wrap and the shock mount would have made a difference in the number of wins you guys had......Hell no but that is not the point. The point is your car was not within the rule set and you got away with it. Get over this obsession with Glenn. Glenn can be a prick (so can I) but he loves this sport and he gives a lot more than he receives out of it. I hope you two know I consider you to be my friends and I hope you do not take this wrong but again not one person (including Glenn) thinks you only won because of cheating. You guys did more work than the rest of us and it paid off. I hope you both come back and we get past all this BS.

By the way, I’m way faster than your old ass Pappa Kellam. Come on out and make me eat those words.


JJ

[Fbody383]

I know a couple of the guys want this to just go away, but the discussion is important (though it does seem to go better when we're all standing around in the paddock), and generally civil all around.

Wayne, I think you and Jeremiah built a car to what you believed was the legal limit of the rules and spent the required time to develop the car and the driver to a very high potential.

Some people just can't accept that some header wrap and a 1/2" of geometric modification to a car at this level makes them a cheater and that is the only reason that they won is absurd.

But your answering your own complaint here; if "1/2" of geometric modification" is legal on your car, can I move my drivetrain rearward 1/2" and be legal?

Remember we also had a very fast guy DQ'd for subframe connectors that were clearly outside the lines but had been on the car since day one; does not/did not make them legal and as harsh as the penalty was, what else should have been done? Do some of the rules appear to be non-performance related? Perhaps, but if they are still in the rulebook they should be enforced consistently.

[RichardP]

I have submitted a rules proposal (a few days ago) that allows a catch can for the diff to be installed.

I'm glad this is going to be clarified. Not only are catch cans not allowed, I'm struggling to find where extending the factory breather with a hose and adding a filter is allowed. Will the update also include the transmission vent? The Orange car had a catch can on the transmission vent when it was purchased... from a CMC director. I need to know if it needs to be removed before the next event.


Similarly, is the header coating thing also going to be clarified? While I see nothing that allows header wrap, I'm equally unable to find the wording that allows "cheap" coatings but disallows "expensive" coatings, and what the delineation between the two cost ranges might be. It would be unfortunate for you to have to disqualify yourself at the next event in front of our out of region guests. :-)


Richard P.

[Fbody383]

It would be unfortunate for you to have to disqualify yourself at the next event in front of our out of region guests.

Could be a big AI/X field...

[AllZWay]

As entertaining as this is, could you guys possibly work it out over the phone instead of the forum? Please??

Like this post.


Kellam's you should just ignore it and go race. I have heard rumours of me cheating and at first I was kind of annoyed, but ultimately I just don't care. I think part of it just comes with winning. I know that I am not knowlingly breaking any rules to gain some advantage.

I don't think anyone really thinks header wrap is some massive advantage anyway. Just get the car out and go have fun.

[AllZWay]

Oh...and BTW... NO one ever LOSES because they have less talent. It has to be superior equipment, unequal rules, or cheating.

[ShadowBolt]

Like this post.


Kellam's you should just ignore it and go race. I have heard rumours of me cheating and at first I was kind of annoyed, but ultimately I just don't care. I think part of it just comes with winning. I know that I am not knowlingly breaking any rules to gain some advantage.

I don't think anyone really thinks header wrap is some massive advantage anyway. Just get the car out and go have fun.

Well everyone knows James cheats. How else could he beat the Jordans every single time. No way he is just faster. I think his mother puts something in the gas tank.

JJ