Scientific evaluation of Camaro/Mustang performance parity

[GlennCMC70]

Sidney, I agree that data from Nationals should be used as a data point, but I don't agree that it is the only data point, nor the most important.
NASA's business model, as I understand it, depends on growing regional participation and stabilizing regional competition - NASA gains credibility with the National event and it should factor in, but not be THE driver (pun).
The sports design (everything from rule set to promotion to operations) NEEDS to drive regional participation and competition.
Platform parity affects every race in every region all year long...get it wrong and the business suffers in orders of magnitude more than just low participation at National level.
Using National data alone will not translate regionally. Using regional data AND national data will translate regionally AND nationally.
It's easier to talk over a long weekend with a dozen or so drivers but its better to spend time analyzing data from a dozen or so regions over a reasonable period of time.
Seems the rules in CMC to support the S197 in general and big brakes specifically are a case in point, yes?

Someone see the big picture.
Nice post.

What was this thread about again?

[RichardP]

What was this thread about again?

It started as a joke trying to "scientifically" infer relative testosterone levels of Mustang and Camaro drivers based on non-direct and questionable (or outright bogus) "data." It's actually pretty funny that parity discussions were tacked onto this thread rather than any of the other relevant threads...


Richard P.

[edrock96GT]

I think many will disagree... racing with a handful of cars with only a few of those actually competitive is hardly worthy of a "national" race. IMHO

Same. Nat's isn't a gathering of the best drivers. It's the ones with the most money.

If only the drivers had to show up and there was a 302S waiting there for everyone, Rehagen Racing wouldn't just show up and steal the AI purse.

[rpoz27]

Same. Nat's isn't a gathering of the best drivers. It's the ones with the most money.

If only the drivers had to show up and there was a 302S waiting there for everyone, Rehagen Racing wouldn't just show up and steal the AI purse.

Ed, small fields are a fact of the "budget" classes like CMC and Spec944. The more well funded classes like AI and ST are not short of talent at nationals. Trust me!

[GlennCMC70]

Same. Nat's isn't a gathering of the best drivers. It's the ones with the most money.

If only the drivers had to show up and there was a 302S waiting there for everyone, Rehagen Racing wouldn't just show up and steal the AI purse.

Not the most money, just those willing to spend alot to go. I went 4 times and didn't have the coin to do it 3 of those times. Paying for that now.

[GlennCMC70]

Ed, small fields are a fact of the "budget" classes like CMC and Spec944. The more well funded classes like AI and ST are not short of talent at nationals. Trust me!

CMC had 23 the first year. I bet if it gets moved to KS, we would see 30 car fields in CMC.

[edrock96GT]

...The more well funded classes like AI and ST are not short of talent at nationals. Trust me!

Exactly my point. The well funded guys within said classes can go to nationals. The rest of us (you as well, I know) who spend years to transform their once daily driver cars into race cars in their garages during the time they're not at work using the money they have left over from work after paying bills that do everything they can to be competitive at the regional level don't really have much of a chance against Grand Am teams and drivers that moonlight as "grassroots" racers.

[michaelmosty]

CMC had 23 the first year. I bet if it gets moved to KS, we would see 30 car fields in CMC.

Agreed. If it were in Kansas, I'd be there.
Leaving Tue after work to get there for Wed practice and then be home super late Sunday night would be do-able for me. Missing 3 days of work is a lot easier than missing 6!!!

[BADVENM]

Only 8 cars registered in CMC for Nationals, one of which is a Mustang and isnt the current champion.

[GlennCMC70]

I think I always took 10 days for Nats. I always wanted to be there Monday morning. Get settled. Gives you a day incase you have issues in route. Tuesday is good for running erands and getting your space set-up. Wed for practice and whatever cause Thursday is starts counting. By Sunday evening, last thing you want to do is start driving home. We would drive until sundown and say the night somewhere. Made for a long Monday, and worked Tuesday if you thought you could pull it off.