NEW Rules

[GlennCMC70]

All,
I have been involved with multiple IRB's and having several cars worth of video has been critical in determining exactly what happened. Sometimes even after seeing two videos and "having your mind made up" only to have a clearer third video surface that overturns the whole IRB "prelim" findings.

Think of it like NFL and the challenge rule of video vs the ref's on the field.

I agree that everyone needs to run video to help in these situations, but personally disagree that a penalty should be assessed due to a failure to record the entire outlay, race, cook down lap...

Then you seem to be in agreement with most who have posted.

[Al Fernandez]

what is the problem that is being solved here? Poor decision quality due to inaccurate information? If that is the case then shouldn't it be up to those that feel they have been shorted or are afraid they will be shorted to protect themselves by having good or even multiple cameras?

[Fbody383]

Think of it like NFL and the challenge rule of video vs the ref's on the field.

Not the right analogy. A pro-series recording for broadcast, etc., etc., would be more analogous.

I agree that everyone needs to run video to help in these situations, but personally disagree that a penalty should be assessed due to a failure to record the entire outlay, race, cook down lap...

Which is it; everyone NEEDS to run or SHOULD/COULD run a camera? I perceive a difference depending on which hat - Series Director or racer - you have on.

"Effective January 1, 2018 all racing vehicles will provide an autonomous drone chase cam, recording continuously in color at no less than 1080P which will remain within 50' of the vehicle, at a height no less than 20' above the track surface, beginning with the 'group on grid' command by Race Control and ending with the 'group checker' command. Cars failing to maintain a chase drone for the entire session will be repositioned to last in the order they become non-compliant. An event cloud service storage URL will be provided by the Organizer not less than one week prior to the event and competitors are to upload video for each session a)immediately after a session if involved in contact, b) no later than 3 calendar days after the last day of the event otherwise. Failure to provide required video will result in a reposition to last place with a subsequent adjustment of any contingencies. If multiple competitors fail to furnish the required video, they will remain in their original finishing order upon being repositioned to last place unless repositioned for other causes."

I did a quick scan of BMWCCA/SCCA/PCA and don't find a similar camera "must run" requirement.

[mach1]

I say AICMC protests this rule by not running any cameras, we can sort out the track issues with fist fights! Then we can promote the event as a racing/MMA party weekend.

In all seriousness, I wonder what we can do to encourage cams without penalizing folks, like Glenn said, getting the car on track will take priority to setting up cameras.
Maybe if you run a cam, you get to cut the folks in the dinner line
I have always looked at running a cam as insurance, if something happens or I forget, it's on me, and I will have to accept the fact that I don't have any evidence to dispute xyz.
Craig and I had a situation in NOLA that was interesting, his camera was washed out and it looked like the corner worker wasn't holding a flag, my video showed that they did in fact have the flag.
I also learned at ECR a few years ago that I can't rely on my memory and need video to back up anything, I slightly hit a car nose to nose, after the race in impound I said no way I hit him nose to nose, of course I would have remembered that, I hit him in the rear, sure enough I pulled the video and we were nose to nose, my eyes were likely trying to find a way to miss him and I didn't even realize we were face to face.

I am tired of the gopro BS shuffle, I am going to drop $100 on a set it and forget it dash cam and hopefully I don't have to think about video all weekend.

[rleng1]

In the RM region we are required to run cameras, and reminded to do so at every drivers meeting. No penalties have ever been accessed to my knowledge. We all like seeing in car videos anyway.
I feel that the OIF racing team should be the dedicated camera car with several cameras front and back, they never win anyway.
With this new penalty and Tyler's camera mis functions last year, does this make Craig the CMC champ for 2016?
See you at COTA.

[BADVENM]

NASA Rocky Mountain does not "require" cameras. Its highly "suggested" that we run cameras.

[marshall_mosty]

I perceive a difference depending on which hat - Series Director or racer - you have on.

Dave,
I have to wear both, which is difficult. I can fundamentally disagree with a rule, but then have to enforce it. I'm still talking with Will about what his thoughts were on the penalty structure for the mandatory cameras. I'll give everyone an update this evening.

[Fbody383]

NASA Rocky Mountain does not "require" cameras. Its highly "suggested" that we run cameras.

I can fundamentally disagree with a rule, but then have to enforce it.

I'm fine with that.

2. INTENT
The intent of the Camaro Mustang Challenge (CMC) racing series is to provide National Auto Sport
Association (NASA) members a racing series featuring production American pony cars. Modifications will be
limited to those necessary to promote safety, close competition, and flexibility to enable drivers to learn and
experiment with the principles of race car setup within boundaries intended to limit expenses, thereby
providing the drivers with fun, exciting, and challenging yet approachable racing.
Good sportsmanship is valued more than finishing position. This means clean, well-executed passing is a
trademark of the series. Punting another competitor, or leaning on them to gain a position will not be
tolerated. Car to car contact including bump drafting can result in an investigation and possible sanctions.

I'm still with Glenn and Al - what is it we're trying to solve? If there are issues with a driver, let's address that directly but just treat everybody the same.

I run video as much for the ability to share as the record in case there is an incident. Somewhere since I started the idea of "limiting expense" got redefined. I don't want to be forced to budget the time and money to have to run a camera.

And I'll miss OE at COTA; how wide is his car at that track?

[GlennCMC70]

Once manditory, has anyone considered the available resources needed to keep these things charged?
MSR-C and MSR-H are very outlet limited.
TWS is as well as few of the outlets at the garages work.
Hallett - right. Good luck there as well.

What is the typical racer head count? 150? Got 150 outlets available at any track?

[dtanker65]

Charging can probably be handled, this may be an insurance issue. We are getting to race on a premier formula one track next year....